Facing Reality: Two Truths about Race in America
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- Author：Charles Murray
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AttackGirl
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Preliminary 4 but once I lay out my notes perhaps tomorrow as to why it will become clear for those who have read all of Charles other books。I have made several notes about this book as I have for all of Charles work。 Seriously how can anyone not。 So。。。I will get them out tomorrow。 I read the book first thing this morning and analyzed the supporting PDFs but then got very busy but had time to think about his presentation So this afternoon I read it through again making even more notes。 Geech I a Preliminary 4 but once I lay out my notes perhaps tomorrow as to why it will become clear for those who have read all of Charles other books。I have made several notes about this book as I have for all of Charles work。 Seriously how can anyone not。 So。。。I will get them out tomorrow。 I read the book first thing this morning and analyzed the supporting PDFs but then got very busy but had time to think about his presentation So this afternoon I read it through again making even more notes。 Geech I always love the supporting / accompanying PDF。As I have been saying for years and years， yes we have systemic racism but its not what people think and quite the opposite of what people are spewing on the main stream media attempting to brain wash the masses into further ignorance。 Giving considerations is NOT and will NEVER BE equality。 They are attempting EQUALITY OF OUTCOME which will NEVER EVER HAPPEN。 So。。。Equality is NOT giving millions to a specific group based on their Race/color or culture or even where they live。。。 can you say Sub Economic Zones。 Wrong is wrong and they have created this problem instead of facing the facts and accepting everyone is different and groups have different IQs but we ALL still have to live peacefully together。 A rising tide lifts ALL boats。 G is thee factor of success in life PERIOD。 So then what is success forcing a person who has been giving a free ride to the highest level colleges so they feel unsafe because there is NO WAY they can do the work or even comprehend what is happening。 It is Wrong， whereas they could succeed and do well at a location serving their particular group IQ level。 Attempting to place them into occupations designed for 3 standard deviations higher forcing them to fail。 No wonder our county is in dire need of sanitation workers， electricians， plumbers， construction worker， laborers， janitors， truck drivers etc。 The military occupations are based on IQ so why not mirror that very successful system to create a successful society which I have said many times。 Perhaps its time to remove ALL DEMOGRAPHICS and STOP ALL Govt College Funding and considerations and。。。。。 Taking from one group to give to another isn't that why this country was started？IQ is EVERYTHING and yes Charles it DOES matters in daily life which should BE OBVIOUS to everyone when we have police attempting to communicate simple basic commands or engaging in dialog that ends someones life。 If I say turn around and you turn with your gun over your head and you still get shot well that is a problem。 Attempting to trick a man through word play when he has no concept of what is happening just to pull your gun and shoot him is WRONG and NOT EQUALITY UNDER THE LAW。 We have a problem and the problem is as Charles states 60 years of making certain group IQs even lower as Thomas has also been lecturing about and now the standard deviation is so much lower we have created jungles in the USA where no civilized man or women dares tread。 Can you say Chicago！ When children are shot in their homes as idiots chant to defund the police。 This has made me consider a return to the original documents creating this country。 You cannot read but vote， you cannot afford an ID but you vote。 NO WAY！ （Dominion votes for everyone anyway） When did a civilized society blame the citizen vs the criminal but now we erect statues of crack headed felons and condone rioting and burning of our communities then give more money to support that behavior further violating our streets what kind of role model is that for an IQ group that is already characteristically prone to certain behaviors。 Its just so absurd and so far down the rabbit hole as to present an absolute farce and as Charles also warns is pushing to hard at the peace and progress we as a country have made as a shining example for the world。 Should we wall up the cities or allow that to move to another city for even further destruction as everyone walks on egg shells instead of facing the truth， the realty also known as FACTS。 Tear it down but what is better down to what has Africa made any progress or just more tearing down of societal values of love your neighbor， honor and respect your fellow citizens。 It is just absurd in the country of freedom， Liberty and LAW as Charles attempts to once again relay。To be continued tomorrow。Thank you Charles once again you stand up and do the right and honorable thing。 I don't care for your safe sided back peddling and accommodations now because of the Bell Curve but I am sure it has been a challenge; a lessor man would have folded and I am sure each time the riots start your security sense goes way way up， so thank you again。 。。。more
Jamie
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In “Facing Reality”， Charles Murray lays out the data on differences in IQ and other standardized tests scores， as well as criminality between the various population subgroups society defines as “races。” Murray’s prose is fairly nuanced （more than critics might expect）， and he takes some time to address objections preemptively。While there is virtually nothing in this book that is factually inaccurate （as of time of writing）， this issue is very complex and multi-factorial， and certain aspects of In “Facing Reality”， Charles Murray lays out the data on differences in IQ and other standardized tests scores， as well as criminality between the various population subgroups society defines as “races。” Murray’s prose is fairly nuanced （more than critics might expect）， and he takes some time to address objections preemptively。While there is virtually nothing in this book that is factually inaccurate （as of time of writing）， this issue is very complex and multi-factorial， and certain aspects of the existing data are not as robust as they should be。 Therein lies the most reasonable path for those who are determined to reject this thesis out of hand。The fact that Murray’s reputation comes with a lot of baggage， plus the fact that data of this sort， presented in this blunt fashion， is guaranteed to put smiles on the faces of some of society’s most odious people， will undoubtedly present too big an obstacle for most people left of center to give it a fair hearing。 That’s understandable， but also a shame。 If we want to improve the world， we should begin from the most accurate factual foundation。 This short book can be read in an evening or two， and while it may be uncomfortable in parts， believe it or not， Klan robes did not materialize on my person while doing so。 。。。more
Steve Gross
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Murray puts forth two truths that must be confronted in American life。 The book could have been a little more polished， but still very important。
Scott Andrews
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yup
Hampton
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Concise survey of a modern bugaboo。
Karl
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Charles Murray has made a career by saying and writing things that are impossible to refute but no one wants to believe。 It's good work if you can get it。 Charles Murray has made a career by saying and writing things that are impossible to refute but no one wants to believe。 It's good work if you can get it。 。。。more
someone
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The book could’ve done without the last chapter。 There are too many apologetic caveats littered in the book。 The main premise， however， is well researched and succinctly explained。
Austin
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Objective and rational examination of the underlying facts and statistics about race in America。 I highly recommend to anyone interested in a topic which is having such an outsized impact on our society。
Jason Harper
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This was a quick， but well written book。 Forgetting about why， or how we got here， Murray wanted to explain what he sees as the two key differences in population groups， which talking about dishonestly are accelerating the break up of America。 The conclusion section strikes me as naive， however。 The elites DO talk about these two facts dishonestly; the data is clear yet both Republicans and Democrats refuse to tackle the issue。 I would be hopeful if they were just misinformed， but they are not， This was a quick， but well written book。 Forgetting about why， or how we got here， Murray wanted to explain what he sees as the two key differences in population groups， which talking about dishonestly are accelerating the break up of America。 The conclusion section strikes me as naive， however。 The elites DO talk about these two facts dishonestly; the data is clear yet both Republicans and Democrats refuse to tackle the issue。 I would be hopeful if they were just misinformed， but they are not， so I am not。 。。。more
Alexander Manilov
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A book everyone should read， especially in today's civil war climate。 A book everyone should read， especially in today's civil war climate。 。。。more
Robert E。 Block
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This Book Should Be Required Reading。 Charles Murray has been a data-based reporter of what is happening in America for decades。 He is honest， honorable， and very insightful。 This book attempts to tell uncomfortable truths about the America。 Truths that are currently unacceptable in most of our major media， but truths that need to be told。 His analysis of what could happen unless we get back to our foundational principals is frightening and thought provoking。
Talha Gülmez
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Pretty good summary。 I don't think there's anything controversial or factually incorrect in the book。Also I realized that since I'm not a US citizen， I get easily bored when reading US-specific books。 Not fault of the book tho。 Pretty good summary。 I don't think there's anything controversial or factually incorrect in the book。Also I realized that since I'm not a US citizen， I get easily bored when reading US-specific books。 Not fault of the book tho。 。。。more
Laurence
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Really more of a long article than a book。。。although it presents many interesting facts， quotes Samuel Huntington favorably and the call for realism and a recovery of the American Creed is reasonable， in my opinion the author damages his credibility by gratuitous Trump-bashing。 He also seems to not understand that the Left wants to exacerbate racial conflict and divisions in order to consolidate their minority rule。。。his suggestion to appeal to concerned liberals about deleterious effects of pre Really more of a long article than a book。。。although it presents many interesting facts， quotes Samuel Huntington favorably and the call for realism and a recovery of the American Creed is reasonable， in my opinion the author damages his credibility by gratuitous Trump-bashing。 He also seems to not understand that the Left wants to exacerbate racial conflict and divisions in order to consolidate their minority rule。。。his suggestion to appeal to concerned liberals about deleterious effects of present policies appears seriously naive， because they obviously hate the middle class and working class Murray champions。 He doesn’t know who his allies really are， no mention of Thomas Sowell or even Amy Chua， for that matter。 That he apparently doesn’t realize President Trump represents working and middle class interests casts serious doubts on his IQ （he never tells us what his IQ is） or his honesty。 However much of the data and social science literature discussed is extremely interesting and makes the book a worthwhile read。。。if you ignore his deeply flawed Liberal fantasy-based political analysis。 Personally I believe education should center in character formation rather than intelligence—immoral smart people are more dangerous than dumb ones， something he doesn’t seem to consider。 Drug dealers tend to be intelligent， for example。。。A shift to moral education might make the IQ debate less fraught than bickering over intelligence scores。 How much damage have IT billionaires done to America despite or because of their high IQs？ Hmmmm。。。maybe I’ll have to write my own book。。。 。。。more
Addie
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Important book with a clear， data-driven， and eye-opening message。
Jonathan Ward
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An encapsulation of earlier books in a quick-read version。
Sarah Nakasone
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Read this book to be able to argue against it。
John Dolan-Heitlinger
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A clear and convincing call to look at the factsOur country is threatened by aggressive affirmative action and the accompanying denial of the real differences in average cognitive skills and criminality between ethnic groups。 Our governments and activist groups need to stop pushing the racism of aggressive affirmative action。 An important book。
Vagabond of Letters， DLitt
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9/10As perfect and gentle a primer into the thorny jungle of the most important social and political facts facing the West as has yet been written。Murray walks the reader through the evidence， compiling cases which are cumulatively irrefutable on the level of logic or empirical evidence to even the staunchest intersectionalist。 The sources and methods are in the text and explained simply and in English instead of buried in endnotes， assuming prior knowledge of statistical experiment design。 Murr 9/10As perfect and gentle a primer into the thorny jungle of the most important social and political facts facing the West as has yet been written。Murray walks the reader through the evidence， compiling cases which are cumulatively irrefutable on the level of logic or empirical evidence to even the staunchest intersectionalist。 The sources and methods are in the text and explained simply and in English instead of buried in endnotes， assuming prior knowledge of statistical experiment design。 Murray attempts to walk a middle path， which is his only weakness， expecting the left to repudiate its extremists （the 'moderating ideological triggers'） without， in my opinion， understanding the shape of politics which perforce moves the Cathedral ever leftward， nor does he properly reckon the strength of the evolved group-identity modules explicated in social identity theory and genetic similarity theory: the atavistic 'jungle' is invading the egalitarian and individualist 'garden'， to extend the author's metaphor， irreversibly。 He also does not correctly reckon the level of cognitive ability demanded in addressing emotional things in a rational manner because of his own life's experience as an academic and wonk。 Only Europeans fail to take their own side， and any policy which is premised on the ability of the average man to inspect dispassionately that which induces the most heated passion is bound to fail。 。。。more
Scriptor Ignotus
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